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09 April 2007

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Ziva,

This article borders on the absurd! What's sad is that the reporter did not take the diplomat to task when he compared castro to Ataturk ... anyone who knows history would confirm that castro is the antithesis to Ataturk!

As to the Armenian Genocide, I respect your position , but I must respectfully say that the jury is still out on this one ... before we can condem Turkey, we have the responsibility to hear both sides of the argument ...
Here's a site with a counter position to the Armenian claim: http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/

I wish you well :) Melek

"Condemnation without hearing both sides is unjust and un-American" ~ A.T. Chester

Aymee my friend, I live in Los Angeles which has a very large Armenian community. With all due respect, I have heard too many stories from Armenian friends, and have read too much to accept the words of those who deny this great tragedy. Even after all these decades, the trauma of that horror still scars Armenia, much the same as the Holocaust is part of the collective consciousness of Jews, as is the pain of exile and the genocidal mass murders in the Cuban community.

There was an excellent lecture by Dr. Richard Hovannisian at the United States Holocaust museum on this very topic.

You can read it here: http://www.ushmm.org/conscience/analysis/details.php?content=1995-10-31

Ziva,

Just like you have read and have close Armenian friends, I also have met many Armenian Turks in Turkey who happen to share my position on this subject. My hesitance is on using the term "genocide" because of the implications that accompany this word. As I stated, I respect your position and in no way do I intend to deny the tragedy or to belittle the atrocities and brutalities that World War I inflicted on the Armenian people. Both Armenians and Muslims in Eastern Anatolia under the Ottoman Empire experienced harrowing casualties and extreme hardships during World War I. Hundreds of thousands perished. Most were innocent and they all deserve respect.

The number of alleged Armenian casualties began at approximately 600,000, but was later inflated to 2 million. However, the entire pre-war Armenian population in Eastern Anatolia is best estimated at 1.3 to 1.5 million. None of this is to deny that approximately 600,000 Ottoman Armenians perished during World War I and its aftermath. But Muslims died in even greater numbers (approximately 2.5 million in Eastern Anatolia) from Armenian and Russian executions and wartime hardships as severe as that experienced by relocated Armenians.
When Armenians had the opportunity, they killed Turks without mercy, as in Van, Erzurum, and Adana. Unfortunately, the war ignited a cycle of violence between both groups, one fighting for revolutionary objectives and the other to retain their homeland intact.
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To expand a little on the absurd comparison of the Cuban diplomat of castro with Ataturk, I must say that Ataturk transformed Turkey into a secular, prosperous, westernized country. Women in Turkey were granted the right to vote before women in the USA ... quite an accomplishment! On the other hand, castro has transformed Cuba from a prosperous and free country to a 3rd world country where no one has basic freedoms ... and everyone is well acquainted with hunger, oppression, misery and fear!!

I wish you well :) Melek

"We must love them both - those whose opinions we share and those whose opinions we reject. For both have labored in the search for truth, and both have helped us in the finding of it."~ St. Thomas Aquinas


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